No One In New York Has Had An Interesting Or Original Idea In The Last 10 Years
The music scene is still urban hipster bullshit. Guys more concerned with their florescent baseball caps and day-glo bomber jackets and heaping sycophantic praise on Beyonce and Drake than actual making interesting or creative music, the whole music scene sucks and is well past it's sell by date.
Art is no better, pretentious and superficial nonsense. Fashion? Yessus! Thankfully Anna is out some maybe some new blood will bring something new other than Kindel Jenner on the cover of Vogue for the 107th time and hyping up woefully over rated Kayne West.
The problem with NY is, it became too expensive to live in, young creative people with new exciting non-commercial ideas couldn't afford to move there. And the Internet made it possible for them to stay in the own hometowns and regional cities and still have access to the world.
NY you better get your shit together.
—Anonymous
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Boomers and Gen-Xers are too scared to make waves as they head toward old age. And Millennials are too cautious and conservative- they have a terror of being "odd" or different.
The result is stagnation.
—Anonymous
reply 1
[R1] Millennials aren't cautious: we have no money, everything is expensive now, and we are distracted by phones/apps.
—Anonymous
reply 2
I think younger people in their early 20's are more concerned with what others think of them than past generations. I blame being raised under social media. They worry more about saying or doing things that will get them up votes. Good art requires a certain amount of bravery and not giving a shit what other people think of it.
—Anonymous
reply 3
People used to bring their fresh ideas and energy to NYC, now they go where they can survive without paying $2400 in rent.
—it never was homegrown
reply 4
People have been saying this about New york since 1812. What they didn't consider was that the outer boroughs would become part of what people consider "New York." 20 years ago only a few neighborhoods outside Manhattan were seen that way. It's even expanded to Jersey City. Newark will be the next. It is connected to Manhattan 24/7 by the PATH train--20 minute ride.
—Anonymous
reply 5
There are still some hilarious Jewish stand up comics in NYC who talk about being Jewish, and make jokes about the goyim. HILARIOUS!
—Avrim Rosenbaum, Brooklyn Landlord and Diamond Merchant
reply 6
Millennials are too coddled and aren't tough enough to be creative and interesting. NYC has always been expensive. When I graduated from college in 1988 I was earning $19,000 a year. That's the equivalent of $40,000 today. The minimum overtime exempt salary in NYC today is $50,000. I shared a studio apartment with two other people. Our rent was $860. That's the equivalent of $1800 today. It is completely do-able if you are willing to sacrifice space and not have the creature comforts of home and stop with the excessive consumption (from $6 lattes to $500 sneakers). The rewards are so worth it. I wouldn't give up those early days in NYC for anything.
—Anonymous
reply 7
Agree OP as a NY-er of 30 years. The worldwide domination of capitalism and commercialization of all things, feelings, experiences and people have created a different world. And the emergence / predominance of internet-based “art” eliminates traditional forms of art and the methods of production.
Not sure what the future of a global city is. I think people will always want to be around other people and experience “coolness” - but perhaps they will be content to communicate purely through Instagram / social media and eliminate the need for social spaces.
—Anonymous
reply 8
All the cool people are in Seville and Lisbon.
—Anonymous
reply 9
We have the same issue in London; the issue being all the boomers and Gen Xers moan that London is over because they can't be arsed to go to west Croydon or Peckham or Walthamstow or anywhere outside of zone 1 where the interesting stuff is actually happening. Yes, Soho is boring, and so is SoHo, but don't blame me for your own failure to travel or recognise anything as interesting outside you're own bubble.
—Anonymous
reply 10
I decided to run for Prez!
—DJT
reply 11
I've lived in London all my long life and have never even been to ANY of the places you mention! [R10].
&, BTW - REAL Londoners do not talk in 'zones' for fuck's sake.
—Anonymous
reply 12
I blame Friends.
—Anonymous
reply 13
What happened OP is that the pop culture of the 90's that was being generated in Hollywood infected New York. You had MTv and the E channel and all the celebrity shows seeping into the brains of everyone that wanted to be cool. Remember we also saw the death of the super model who got replaced by the celebrity of the moment. Then the Real Housewives Of New York happened and all the botoxed, cut and pulled became the benchmark for mainstream women. Hollywood sensibilities invaded the East Coast. Then Manhattan got invaded by the bridge and tunnel dish rags once Rudy got through with his time in office. New York City is full of suburbanites, what the fuck do you expect?
—Anonymous
reply 14
I don't know what you're talking about OP. The Great Recession was an idea that came out of NYC. So did Stop and Frisk. Considering what we are learning about Rikers Island NYC is leading the country on horrific jails.
—Anonymous
reply 15
I was thinking the same thing myself recently. Everything that's in now are the same things that were in 10 years ago. Maybe the cycle of trends has stopped.
—Anonymous
reply 16
I don't think so r 16. The entertainment industry has gotten closed. There is so much nepotism that people that are really good can't get in to make any difference. I know there has always been nepotism but I'm a crew member and I've been doing this 30 years and I've never seen so many children and spouses etc. getting into the business they way they are now. We are getting flooded with everyone's relatives who from what I have seen are lazy and stupid and entitled. Hollywood has always been somewhat of a closed system but it's really bad now. It's reflective of other desirable industries I'm sure.
—Anonymous
reply 17
The internet flattened out culture in a way no one expected, including in New York.
—Anonymous
reply 18
One big problem is all of the Baby Boomer gatekeepers who refuse to step aside—hoarding the access and the capital and whose tastes are still stuck in the 90s.
And yes—the internet as a flattener is a huge reason as well. Just look at the goddamn meme cycle on Twitter. It's exhausting.
—Anonymous
reply 19
Also want to say that it's just another way of keeping wealth and anything worth anything in the circles that already have everything. I think there are still some great things that can be done but in order to be visionary you have to be reflective, sensitive, intelligent and gifted in some way. The privileged are far too pampered and ignorant to bring the world anything deep and meaningful.
—17
reply 20
I appeared at a Bravo Halloween Party as Diana Ross, in the age of SJWism and "cultural appropriation." That's original, and very brave!
—The Countess
reply 21
Someone put it really well, [R20], but I forget who—something like, "Rich people used to want to be friends with artists. Now they all want to be artists."
—Anonymous
reply 22
All the creativity is on the internet .
& it's fucking incredible.
if someone from just 20 years ago saw our computers and phones and what they can do, it would blow their fucking minds.
—Anonymous
reply 23
just New York?
It's everywhere.
"Now" is about money and food.
—Anonymous
reply 25
[R22] and the rich (((people))) that don't want to be artists, don't want to be around artists who grew up poor.
—Anonymous
reply 26
[R5], Newark will NEVER be considered nYC you uncultured dumb ass bitch. DIE IN A GREASE FIRE HO.
—Anonymous
reply 27
remember to FF, [R24].
"The arts" were just as "jewish" in the creative 60s and 70s, dear.
—Anonymous
reply 28
I’ll never understand the millennial excuse of being distracted by phones or apps as in [R2] as if they’re powerless against the phones. It’s used as an excuse for everything from lack of ambition and creativity to simple failure to accomplish a task. Just put down the damn phone and pay attention to the world around you. The phone isn’t rooted to your hand with burning spikes.
—gen Xer
reply 29
What is the phenomenon of Mommies with baby strollers who want to invade some boho area and gentrify it through the roof? It happens everywhere.
—Anonymous
reply 30
At this point even Nashville is better than NY, musically anyway.
—Anonymous
reply 31
[R3] is correct. There's too much auto-censoring in current social climate. You can't make good art if you have to think it through 100 times.
—Artist
reply 32
Watch a few episodes of High Maintenance. There's still some people gettin' weird with it.
—Anonymous
reply 33
something new other than Kindel Jenner
Oh, dear...
—Anonymous
reply 34
High Maintenace gives me hope for New York in 2018. Even if it is fiction
—Anonymous
reply 35
I listen to classical music so I already have more than 600 years of great music to catch up with and don't need anymore.
One can put up with only so much genius.
—Anonymous
reply 36
Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
—K. Marx
reply 37
We need something new. Something fierce.
—Anonymous
reply 38
Trump’s Most Influential White Nationalist Troll Is A Middlebury Grad Who Lives In Manhattan
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—Anonymous
reply 39
Suggestions for spicing up NYC. 1- revive Christopher st to be a fierce ant-establishment exemplar for the world Starting with Rockbar and Julius. Hangar too
—Anonymous
reply 40
Darlings it's been this way sine 1985. You want art? Kansas!
—Anonymous
reply 41
[R17] - interesting point. When we discussed inclusion riders most people made the exact opposite point. People were being hired based upon merit.
—Anonymous
reply 42
In a weird way, SJWism and “diversity” are the dominant “trends” right now. Everything in youth counterculture (art, music, media) revolves around that these days.
—Anonymous
reply 43
[R44] Well, considering the still-in-power Boomers are very anti-SJW, it still is a counterculture to some degree.
—Anonymous
reply 45
Durung the last 20 years the overwhelming majority of young and creative people have been pushed out of NYC due to hyper-gentrification. Bloomberg's primary objective from 2001- 2012 was to spearhead the city's comittee on drastically altering the zoning laws so that real estate investment entities can have a field day. The results have been a boom to the rich and have displaced affordable housing even in the outer boroughs .
—Anonymous
reply 46
Fran Lebowitz has the worst day ever on 11/8/16.
—Anonymous
reply 47
On the plus side, it has made a lot of other US cities a LOT more interesting. Good and interesting new restaurants, music, and art can now be had in most tier 1 and tier 2 cities. That really wasn't the case 20 years ago.
They aren't the cultural backwaters they used to be. Now - the one thing NYC always has over any other city is the frenetic energy which is addictive. But you don't necessarily have to feel like you are surrounded by bland blahness in other cities. Not that there are a lot of cities in the US I would choose to live in, but things are getting a bit better all around.
—Anonymous
reply 48
I hope some journalist looks into what billionaire's son, Nick Kroll, did to comedy. Fascinating how he uses his father's shady fixer tricks to fix comedy careers for him and certain friends. Many of those friends are children of the very wealthy and politically connected. Comedy is not about funny but about who has the most money or who Nick Kroll can use to get ahead. Henry Kissinger's son David is a big shot in Comedy Central and produces Conan's show and Jules Kroll and Henry are dear friends who belong to the same social clubs and make deals on how to get Nick to the A list. Just one example.
Whitney Cummings, Nick Kroll, Iliza Shlesinger, John Mulaney, Amy Schumer and many others are from super wealth and are getting ahead strictly due to that kind of networking. Varying degrees of talent but all got in due to these arrangements.
—Anonymous
reply 49
Someone on another thread pointed out that The Plague not only killed off a couple of generations of artists, but killed off a big chunk of the discriminating audiences that keep the high-end arts going.
Of course that's not the only reason the Arts are fading in the US, there's also out-of-control commercialism, the insane cost of living in the big cities, the internet, the necessity of filling hundreds of cable channels with anything that can be slapped together with a few bucks, rampant abuse of power in the entertainment industry, etc. It all contributes to a cultural decline, but I really think The Plague was a factor too. Both talent and taste were lost, and both are missed.
—Anonymous
reply 51
I just want to point out that High Maintenance is not a documentary.
Carry on.
—Anonymous
reply 52
That is true [R48], the flourish culture and music scenes in regional cities are a silver lining to the stagnation of NYC.
I think a big problem was the Urban Hipster scene became too profitable, and therefore not allowed to fade away like every other scene had. So nothing new was allowed to come and replace it. As it is now it is an ugly, conceited, bloated, self aware and aimless scene, creatively toxic and bland, bitching when a mediocre billionaire mega celebrity doesn't win an award rather that actually doing something worthwhile.
And fashion became nothing more than an embarrassing Kayne West Kardashian Jenner fan club and if Edward Enninful takes over not much will change, in fact it will probably get worse.
—Anonymous
reply 53
LA is the new cultural epicenter. Sad but true.
—Anonymous
reply 54
[R50] people wonder why comedy is so bad nowadays. That is a big reason. It's interesting how the son of Weinstein's fixers and spies is fixing the modern comedy scene. There was discussion of how the very wealthy are too coddled to produce great art and so it was relevant to the thread. What are the odds that so many children of the super wealthy are getting their own comedy central shows etc.
—I give it rest most of the time. neener.
reply 55
It's still exciting if you're young and have a halfway decent job. I found myself seated next to a 20 something at one of Joan Rivers' last shows. He was thrilled to be living in and discovering NYC. I recognized that.
On the other hand, there's less. Of everything. And there's no way the young man was going to know that.
Mainly it's because NYC no longer allows you to try shit and fail anymore. So it's less creative and cutting edge.
I think this was pretty much obvious after the crash of 2008.
—Anonymous
reply 56
OP, I take your point in general, but some of our best music ever has come out of the past decade. Passing Strange (technically now maybe 11 years old) is a masterpiece of masterpieces and Stew and Heidi have brought so much to the theater scene since then.
Others reasons to celebrate:
Bartlett’s revivals, Fun Home, JRB’s Bridges score and Kelli’s performance in it, Kelli in Cosi, Chita and all things The Visit, the spectacular work at Encores and how they continue to one up themselves time and time again, The Band’s Visit, Indecent, Stockard in Other Desert Cities, Nathan Lane in The Nance, Iceman and now Angels, Joe Mantello in The Normal Heart and his direction of The Humans and Three Tall Women- both casts/productions also worthy of mention, Audra in Shuffle Along and Lady Day, Patti and Christine in War Paint...I could go on and on.
Yes, there is A LOT of bad out there and it takes a remarkable amount of energy to sift through it, but if you do, you can still find the brilliant art and music you seek.
—Anonymous
reply 57
Henry Kissinger's son David is a big shot in Comedy Central and produces Conan's show
Okay, one—the sins of the father are not the sins of the son. But also, two—OMG. No. Not okay.
—Anonymous
reply 58
JRB’s Bridges score
LOL.
Stockard in Other Desert Cities
LOL.
Patti and Christine in War Paint.
LOL!
—Anonymous
reply 59
[R59], What may I ask is so LOL about those things? JRB wrote a marvelous score for Bridges and Kelli’s performance is forever seared onto my brain. I saw Bridges 4 times and essentially sobbed through the final performance. A legendary day in the theater.
Other Desert Cities was fantastic all around (saw it once at the Mitzi and three more times on Broadway with Light), but it was Stockard at her best.
War Paint’s score is VASTLY underrated and fans will cherish it the way they do The Grass Harp and Henry, Sweet Henry nowadays. Patti and Christine were both perfection in every way.
—Anonymous
reply 60
B'way? No more legendary melodies or sophisticated lyrics... no inventive choreography or the dancers to dance them.
"Passing Strange" ? A lot of noise and cheap emoting. No precision. No craft.
—Anonymous
reply 61
And another reason for the decline of the NYC arts scene, [R57], is that Broadway is so insanely expensive!
What's the minimum income needed to live in NYC and be a dedicated theater queen these days, half a mil? More?
—Anonymous
reply 62
—Anonymous
reply 63
[R58] Not sure what you are trying to say there. I do agree about that sins of the father thing but in my case it was the sins of the son that made me dig and then find out about the sins of the father. Then I began to see a clear pattern of how the son was using the whole pay for play business model to establish comedy careers for himself and those on his "list." Conan even did a fundraiser for Kroll Chairman, Bill Bratton, at some point. Not to mention NK's connections to many journalists and how and Chelsea Perretti(sister of Buzzfeed and Huffpo founder) have been using those connections to sell themselves as comedic geniuses bound for the A list. It goes deeper still but I'm very aware that comedy and conspiracy theories are a hard sell... Why I began digging can be found in this link...
Dismissed in the Interests of Justice: The incredible(and I mean incredible) true story of how a comedian, Tig Notaro, saved her brand by destroying a life
"Holy shit. This is... insane..." Yes it was. Yes it is. Stone cold crazy, batshit, baying at the moon, barking a loony tune. Straight up ...
go to alisablogq.blogspot.com
alisablogq.blogspot.com
—Anonymous
reply 64
In some ways it's harder to move to NY, because of the cost, but in another way it's easier, because you can Skype with your parents and Facebook with your friends, and do meet ups to fill your empty time. You can also see where the latest blogger is eating lunch. It's not the same as moving there even 15 years ago, when you'd get lost in the concrete jungle and had to sink or swim.
—Anonymous
reply 65
Then YOU are part of the problem, [[R12]].
This from a person who talks about London in "Tube Zones"
We have the same issue in London; the issue being all the boomers and Gen Xers moan that London is over because they can't be arsed to go to west Croydon or Peckham or Walthamstow or anywhere outside of zone 1 where the interesting stuff is actually happening.
>> west Croydon or Peckham or Walthamstow
It's almost funny.
And most of those places aren't even IN London.
But I googled West Croydon (probably where YOU live) and it looks like THIS (see link) >>
outside of zone 1 where the interesting stuff is actually happening.
Can't wait to check these places out!
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—Anonymous
reply 66
All the cool people are in “emerging” markets — both those within the (post) industrial “west” and outside of it. There is always creativity — if you look for it. The fantasy of NYC as center of creativity I wasn’t a fantasy in 20C — nowadays it is pure fantasy. Check out China South Africa and non white markets. Seriously.
—Anonymous
reply 67
[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]
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—Anonymous
reply 68
BTW - pic @ [R68] is "edgy" Peckham - where " interesting stuff is actually happening"
—Anonymous
reply 69
and now Walthamstow @ link
your idea of where " interesting stuff is actually happening" seems to be places where they're having knife attacks.
I think I'll stick to "zone 1" thank you very much.
Man stabbed in broad daylight attack amid spate of violence in London
A young man has been knifed in a broad daylight attack amid a spate of violence across London. The victim, aged 21, was rushed to hospital after he was stabbed in Billet Road, Walthamstow on Thursday afternoon. Scotland Yard said the injuries are not believed to be serious. Police were called to the scene at 12.50pm.
go to www.standard.co.uk
Evening Standard
—Anonymous
reply 70
Check out China South Africa and non white markets. Seriously.
Great advice for white gay men....
—not seriously
reply 71
I'll stick to the London that looks like THIS >
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—Anonymous
reply 72
NOT this >>
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—Anonymous
reply 73
Yes, stick to your white stucco-fronted Regency houses, you parochial, bourgie prisspot.
This from a person who talks about London in "Tube Zones"
Boroughs. Travelcard zones would be zones 1-6. Evidently you never venture further than zone 1.
—Anonymous
reply 74
[R74]'s "home" in Croydon >>
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—Anonymous
reply 75
and his last place >>
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—Anonymous
reply 76
Miss [R75]/76 in her abode (NOT the Chinese takeaway).
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—Anonymous
reply 77
It's only a flesh wound. Sacrifices may be required when searching for culture outside the city proper, [R70].
—Anonymous
reply 78
I’m not a theater queen but posts in this thread reminded me that I used to hear Broadway songs on the radio all the time. They were part of mainstream culture. Then again, so was radio. My mother would get up in the morning, go in the kitchen, turn on the radio and start her day. The radio station was local to our town with announcer who lived locally. You would hear a commercial from the local department store telling you about the sales going on this week.
No more local radio, so people don’t even turn it on.
But yeah, I remember hearing on the radio: Maria, Somewhere, Who Can I Turn To,, The Impossible Dream, Try to Remember, What Kind of Fool Am I, just to name a few Broadway score songs that were hits. Now they take hit songs and fashion a “play” around them.
—Anonymous
reply 80
No more local radio, so people don’t even turn it on.
The music became more and more horrible - so more and more people turned it off.
—Anonymous
reply 81
Now they take hit songs and fashion a “play” around them.
ancient hits, no?
—Anonymous
reply 82
They even shit down "edgy" Croydon radio.
[R77] must have been beside herself.
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—Anonymous
reply 83
What they didn't consider was that the outer boroughs would become part of what people consider "New York."
Yeah all the creative energy in New York has shifted to Brooklyn. Expand your horizon outside of Manhattan.
—Anonymous
reply 85
[[R74]] Doesn't live in London.
I live in Homerton.
This incident happened outside my flat two days ago.
Morning Lane stabbing: Young man dead as cops launch Hackney’s second homicide investigation in space of hours
Extra police will be on the streets today after a teenager was stabbed to death last night – the second person to be killed in Hackney in a matter of hours.
go to www.hackneygazette.co.uk
Hackney Gazette
—Anonymous
reply 86
Brooklyn Hipsters are the main problem. Superficial style over substance for the past decade.
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—Anonymous
reply 87
Exactly. The OP was calling out Brooklyn mostly. But I agree, culture is ‘stuck’ at the moment.
We are currently going through one cycle of nostalgia after the other.
—Anonymous
reply 88
[R88] "But I agree, culture is ‘stuck’ at the moment."
At the moment? It's been 'stuck' for the last thirty-eight years.
—Anonymous
reply 89
Speaking as a lifelong New Yorker who went to both fashion and art school in the 80s and 90s, NYC hasn't had an interesting or original idea in the last 20 years. I always thought that the death of Keith Haring was the end of oldskool NYC. It's not that his death ended the art and music scene but you could tell that after he died, it was the end of an era. I think that the Baby Boomers and GenXers on the cusp of the Boomer/GenX transition were the last true great creative generations because they were the ones that respected and built on the past.
The generations after them either have a contempt for the past (you will hear millennials call legendary artists stupid, overrated or whatever) or think that creativity is all about recycling or even flat out stealing someone else's work based on the excuse that "nothing is new under the sun." So they haven't been able to create anything of any worth. All their "creativity" amounts to is either plagiarism or recycling and sampling. I stopped listening to Top 40 radio years ago, not because I thought the music sucked but because I was so sick and tired of hearing the songs I grew up with being sampled and recycled.
I also think that creativity has died in general in America because the country has become nihilist and anti-humanist. Art and creativity is a form of human expression and in a culture like this one, where people sneer at positive values like love, hope, courage, friendship or exploring deeper emotions (heartbreak, betrayal, etc.) you're not going to get a lot of creative ideas.
—Anonymous
reply 90
High Maintenance is a great show. If only NY was as much fun as it looks on that show. And didn’t all the hipsters leave Brooklyn for upstate NY?
—Anonymous
reply 91
[R49] That's all CIA. WTC security on 9/11? Kr0ll. Who was nominated to lead 9/11 Commission? Kissinger! Why did Kissinger back out? His clients were the Bin Laden family! Who was put in charge of "rebuilding" Iraq? Paul Bremmer, partner at KISSINGER ASSOCIATES.
Remember that movie Wag The Dog? About the CIA Hollywood producer who produced fake war footage to start a war? That character was based on Robert Evans, seen here with his close friend HENRY KISSINGER
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—Tig Notaro, "cancer" "survivor"
reply 92
Keith Haring was overrated. Completely. Just like Jeff Koons. One trick ponies.
—Anonymous
reply 93
Why do Millenials expect Boomers to step aside for them ? In what world has one generation ever stepped aside for another ? That’s not how life works. Very few people are handed anything. You have to fight for your place. From one generation to the next there have always been challenges and difficulties and hardships. Certainly for those of us not born into wealth.
Bemoaning the fact that some people won’t step aside for you so that you can have a slice of the pie is self defeating at best and, at worst, dangerously delusional. There are more young self made millionaires now than ever in history. I doubt many got that way because of someone older stepping aside.
—Anonymous
reply 94
[R90] said: "I also think that creativity has died in general in America because the country has become nihilist and anti-humanist. Art and creativity is a form of human expression and in a culture like this one, where people sneer at positive values like love, hope, courage, friendship or exploring deeper emotions (heartbreak, betrayal, etc.) you're not going to get a lot of creative ideas."
It's actually the opposite. Modern and Post-Modern art helped pave the way for the country becoming nihilist and anti-humanist. Those movements were used to de-Christianize America and corrode America's moral fiber.
And gays were all too eager to participate in that Jewish Cultural Marxism project. They still are.
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—Anonymous
reply 96
The brutal domination of capitalism post 80’s eventually killed art. When money is the sole god and everyone is forced to work a soul crushing job to survive, there is no ability to make art or value put on art for the sake of its beauty. I’m reading about Tennessee Williams, Capote, Vidal and the mid century artists - and it is so jarring to see that people could create art, write, live lives of inspiration only 50 years ago. The global hegemony of capitalism has forced mankind to become cogs in the wheel of a machine that feeds the 1% and their families. Metropolis the film was scarily prescient.
—Anonymous
reply 97
The problem is people began to create "art". There is nothing more cringing than a person who identifies as an "artist" . Kayne West was a big dent in pop culture, he single handedly ruined the word artist & he made chasing the genius label trendy and hugely important for young musicians.
When he constantly whined on about the importance of his art and the culture significant of his art it was embarrassing, but what was worse was the way the music press fell for it and other musicians fell for it and believed it and were influenced by it. They went out with the primary intention of creating art, which is not how art is created and will always fail its creator.
Art cannot be made, it is an involuntary and natural consequence of a person trying to sincerely communicate or express a feeling, emotion or opinion, something important the feel inside, in whatever medium. But now people just make art for the praise and glory and commercial benefit.
—Anonymous
reply 98
Plus all the grad school programs cranking out "artists"
—Anonymous
reply 99
Lady Gaga was worse about it than Kanye IMO. She described the release party for 'Artpop' as an event that will be studied and written about for generations to come. At least Kanye continues to make good music while he's being pretentious.
—Anonymous
reply 100
Jews ruin everything
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—Anonymous
reply 101
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—Anonymous
reply 102
Artflop was hilarious.
—Anonymous
reply 103
There are Golden Ages. We see this in perspective. It is probably with some distance now that OP makes his point.
The internalization of the arc of American culture that came together in the 1960s - youth, environtalism, feminism, LGBT, civil rights, radicalism, and multiculturalism came to an end in the 1980s. That was the last Golden Age of New York.
It is not that there are no intellectuals or artists today. There have been however no new progressive, only regressive, ideas since.
—Anonymous
reply 104
[R10] here, the 'not a real Londoner'. Apologies for hijacking your thread, OP, but it has been a laugh. I especially enjoyed the pictures of Croydon and Peckham. And what can I say about Tottenham which hasn't already been said by the Evening Standard? Was it two years ago now?
I am surprised that the REAL Londoner here hasn't ever been to Peckham when even the New York Times has. Didn't you ever go there to find Nelson Mandela House? I thought we all did that in the 90s. Apologies for using the word zones. I remember a similar debate on here some years ago when someone else used the word and, perhaps you, also went mad. I dread to think what would happen to your blood pressure if you ever managed to find an underground night in Croydon - though it's unlikely you'd know where to look.
The Beating Heart of London’s Most Dynamic Art Scene
The Peckham neighborhood is on the circuit of art world bigwigs for its combination of art with $1-million price tags and vibrant creative scene.
go to www.nytimes.com
www.nytimes.com
—Anonymous
reply 105
I’m not a theater queen but posts in this thread reminded me that I used to hear Broadway songs on the radio all the time. They were part of mainstream culture.
You probably also heard them on The Ed Sullivan Show, [R80]. There was a time when TV brought the latest of Broadway to the American masses. Sadly, those days are gone.
Anthony Newley Who Can I Turn To THE ROAR OF THE GREASEPAINT 1965
go to m.youtube.com
YouTube
—Anonymous
reply 106
London had an absolutely incredible music scene in the mid-60s to early 70s.
Beatles, Stones, Jimmi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Clapton, The Who, Kinks, Black Sabbath, Traffic, and many more, watching each other perform every week and creating by far the best body of classic rock music any scene could ever dream of.
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—Anonymous
reply 107
Jimi and Clapton
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—Anonymous
reply 108
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reply 109
Floyd
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—Anonymous
reply 110
Carolyn Christie, Roger Waters, Pattie Boyd and Eric Clapton
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reply 111
bb King Eric Clapton,Syd Barrett
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reply 112
Jimi Hendrix Cream Pink Floyd
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reply 113
London had an absolutely incredible music scene in the mid-60s to early 70s.
It moved to New York and died there in the 1980s.
—Anonymous
reply 114
Brian Jones Roger Daltry Yoko Ono John Lennon Julian Lennon Eric Clapton
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www.60sblog.com
—Anonymous
reply 115
There is good music out there. It's just not playing on ClearChannel or iHeartRadio to the masses.
—Anonymous
reply 116
Don't forget me, queen!
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—Anonymous
reply 117
Other reasons why the postwar period was an exciting one.
1) The factories, communications and transport lines in Europe & Asia were destroyed in the war. America built industry during the war with factories turning out tanks and planes. They started turning out all sorts of consumer items after the war that sold all over the world, making for a strong economy and a stable middle class.
2) Europe and Asia had to rebuild. America didn’t.
3) WWII soldiers came home and they became a driving force in entertainment. After seeing the holocaust and the brutality of the Japanese, a lot of men — like Rod Serling, eg — were convinced that war was pointless, wasteful and traumatic. These men believed in the UN - try to negotiate before starting a war. They believed people shouldn’t be punished for being a different religion or ethnicity. They believed in civil rights for all. Black soldiers returning from Europe decided they weren’t going to live with segregation anymore. They’d just fought for their country. Many whites agreed (though not enough). Black musicians went on TV just like white ones, finally, and more white Americans were exposed to great music.
4) The war inspired artistic iconoclasm. Whether you liked it or not, people were saying, “Look at what the old life gave us. WWI & WWII. We’re breaking away and trying new things.”
5) Wealth in postwar America & leisure time have people the ability to contemplate. They tried different jobs, joined garage bands, traveled and generally felt safe enough to try to “discover themselves.” This lead to some good artwork. It also had a dark side of people joining cults.
So our culture in those years was saying, “We’re tired of the old ways, of the old prejudices that lead to pointless wars that kill millions of people. Our young men should not be cannon fodder. We’re tired of being discriminated against at home and we’re not going to take it and neither should women and gays. We need to try justice, fairness, equality, freedom.”
That WWII generation is gone now. One very bad thing that came about in postwar years was advertising. Ads told Americans what to buy, how to smell, what they should look like. That was the beginning of today’s sophisticated political propaganda.
—Anonymous
reply 118
World War II was pointless. The US public wanted to stay out, but the Jews dragged us into it, by allowing Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor.
Then America had to fight the REAL bad guys, the (((Soviets))), for the next 50 years in the Cold War.
WWII also led to the creation of the CIA and the permanent military industrial complex.
No thanks.
—Charles Lindbergh
reply 119
How utterly untrue. Someone in New York (I forget his name but bless his lil' heart!) approved me to move in and shit all over, I mean open our most patriotic location yet. So I'd say that there was one purty good idea. Can't beat our waffle fries!
Come check us out, y'all heteros....
—Dan Cathy
reply 120
[R100], it's funny--I think her career officially tanked the moment she considered herself an "artist" instead of a pop star. She was so much better in the first two years of her career.
—Anonymous
reply 121
Contemporary Art hasn't done Bjork's music any favours. Such pretension.
—Anonymous
reply 122
Beautifully said [R90].
One of the reasons I think I haven't cared for the new filmed musicals is because there is no real emotion in them. No real heartbreak, no sense of wonder, vulnerability, dare I say earnestness. And if I'm honest I miss technicolor, it made me feel like I was in a similar yet very different world than the one I live in day to day.
—Anonymous
reply 126
I don't think big cities are anymore kind or less cruel to the naive and the unprepared than they ever have been.
—Anonymous
reply 127
(hit Reply too soon) Maybe to the trust fund types who have hundreds of thou$and$ of dollars to spare on rent/mortgages and luxuries. For upstarts and the poor who have to work for basic amenities, or the creative young who "make it," no. In fact, it is more and more difficult for them to even live in the city.
I have met my share of aspiring young who live in 8 to 2-bdrm apartment situations, or some such appalling condition, so it's not like there aren't any people who are making sacrifices and trying to do this. But this is in LA. I don't know what they are doing out east.
—Anonymous
reply 128
Sorry [R98] I think you're giving Kanye too much credit. I also don't think anyone in Hip Hop these days thinks they are artists not those disposable guys that are around for a couple of years then ?. You also don't know much about Kanye's influence in rap. He was producing great rap tracks before he started the ascent to his own stardom. He is not responsible for the record companies that only want to do the same old shit over and over. Those companies don't want artists, the producers have all the power and keep most of the money. They just switch out the faces while keeping the product the same. That's not Kanye's fault.
—Anonymous
reply 129
Kanye West joined the Kartrashian circus.
Tells you something about his alleged smarts and his supposed genius.
—Anonymous
reply 130
Art and music have been largely defunded in public schools. I’m an older millennial and those classes were never available in my schools (until I entered college, which put me $60,000 in debt). That’s a major source of the problem. Only the rich can afford to be “artists”, but they’re the least interesting people on the planet. It’s a fucking travesty.
—and I agree NYC has sucked for a while
reply 131
That's true too [R128].
I'd say up until about 12 years ago it was doable to move to NY... it was expensive but I'd no longer have a car... so no insurance or gas payments and it would even out. I wouldn't be living large there, but I'd be able to do it without starving or having to sit home all the time.
Now? Nope, I can't even entertain the idea of moving back.
—Anonymous
reply 132
I tell you what [R130] I'd happily marry any of the three older Kardashian women. Kim, Kourtney, Khloe. From what I've seen they are loyal. Ride or Die. You don't find that in many women let alone women of privilege.
—Anonymous
reply 133
Tell me DL, is the Alt RIght Classic Rock Troll also the Libertarian Troll?
"[R20] It comes down to the WASPs being out-muscled by piggy little Jews like Harvey Weinstein.
The privileged WASPs still had a sense of noblesse oblige and public spirit.
But that's exactly what made them so vulnerable to being conquered by piggish, nepotistic Jews with their grasping, ferociously ambitious little eyes."
"Modern and Post-Modern art helped pave the way for the country becoming nihilist and anti-humanist. Those movements were used to de-Christianize America and corrode America's moral fiber.
And gays were all too eager to participate in that Jewish Cultural Marxism project. They still are."
"[R49] That's all CIA. WTC security on 9/11? Kr0ll. Who was nominated to lead 9/11 Commission? Kissinger! Why did Kissinger back out? His clients were the Bin Laden family! Who was put in charge of "rebuilding" Iraq? Paul Bremmer, partner at KISSINGER ASSOCIATES.
Remember that movie Wag The Dog? About the CIA Hollywood producer who produced fake war footage to start a war? That character was based on Robert Evans, seen here with his close friend HENRY KISSINGER"
"London had an absolutely incredible music scene in the mid-60s to early 70s.
Beatles, Stones, Jimmi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Clapton, The Who, Kinks, Black Sabbath, Traffic, and many more, watching each other perform every week and creating by far the best body of classic rock music any scene could ever dream of."
"World War II was pointless. The US public wanted to stay out, but the Jews dragged us into it, by allowing Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor.
Then America had to fight the REAL bad guys, the (((Soviets))), for the next 50 years in the Cold War.
WWII also led to the creation of the CIA and the permanent military industrial complex.
No thanks."
—Anonymous
reply 134
I think you are also starting to see young people entering into the age of security, pragmatism and practicality. They are looking to enter or switch careers into viable industries with ++ job growth, stable salaries, and jobs which won't be hijacked by robots and automation.
When I was a kid, they fed us all of that "you can be anything you want to be" (astronaut, president) stuff. Well, that panned out being true for maybe 2% of the population. Nowadays, it is even less likely. How responsible is it to push kids in these idealistic, artistic directions? I know I am not. I tell my teen nephews and nieces to look into medical jobs (nursing, PTs) because those won't immediately be made obsolete by technology. And yes, art is suffering as a result.
—Anonymous
reply 135
The wells have all been poisoned.
Jews drink of dead waters.
—Anonymous
reply 136
Teenagers have always been ridiculous and pretentious, and have thought they could work in a creative field and avoid all the money-grubbing soul-destroying bullshit that turns people into their parents. It's just that before the internet, the pretentious teens couldn't bother anyone bot their friends, teachers, and families with their nonsense.
But back in the day, it actually was these pretentious young people who wanted to go to NYC, in the hopes that their talents would blossom there, and I suppose that actually happened in some cases. No more, though. Now everyone knows that it's impossible without a trust fund or lottery win behind you, and besides, the internet is the real creative career path in most fields.
—Anonymous
reply 138
[R138], I have a niece who currently wants to be a Youtube "Makeup Artist guru," which I suppose is sort of creative in a sense. She has a Youtube channel, Instagram, a good number of followers, and is good at her war-paint tutorials, but she is one of what, tens of thousands? Millions? Like I tell her: become a nurse. Then she'll have 4 free days to devote to her makeup thing on the side, and a flow of good, steady income.
—Anonymous
reply 139
It's called a side hustle 139 and theses days there are plenty of people exploring that avenue. YouTube is a great side hustle if you can get viewers. I don't like being on camera so unfortunately I couldn't go that route.
—Anonymous
reply 140
Not a fan of most Jews but they didn't allow the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor, FDR did
And even if they were glad the attack meant we would join the war, the plight of Jews in Europe didn't receive the attention from the President that they hoped.
—Anonymous
reply 142
I think the Portland OR artisan hipsters are ok and are making good music, but the Brooklyn urban hipsters are just loathsome.
—Anonymous
reply 143
I think you are also starting to see young people entering into the age of security, pragmatism and practicality.
Boring kids. They add nothing to the city that's interesting.
—Anonymous
reply 144
[R92] I can't even go that deep. Too stressful. But I do know what Kroll is capable of and that Tig Notaro is one of their special friends who got very special treatment. For more Kroll "fun" google Princess Diana Tapes Kroll, JFK James Files Kroll, RFK Jules Kroll, Richard Chang Kroll, Allen Stanford Kroll. It does go on and on and it's so amazing to me that the super shitty "Tig" Notaro has that kind of muscle behind her
—Anonymous
reply 145
[R92] Another interesting Kroll google is .... Kroll Humvees. They got major contracts with govt starting in 1998. Millions upon millions of dollars supplying tanks for all the wars that followed. In other words their was no bigger benefactor. Still I can't see it as a conspiracy. Too big and too evil but since I dealt with Kroll firsthand I suppose even that is possible. unrelated but Kroll also owns a Pharmacy and Forensic testing empire. All googlable, of course.
Also Kroll International. Biggest contracts given them for armament to wars. What are the odds? This is all being written by a person who never believed in conspiracy theories and who is very Jewish and pro Israel. I just got incredible screwed by Nick Kroll and then down a very strange rabbit hole. Setting Notaro up with fake cancer fame must have been incredibly easy. And then it's very easy to cast aside the doubter as a nutjob. That's another Kroll specialty.
—Anonymous
reply 146
Car New Dataloungers,
Just google “Alisa Spitzberg,” folks. She’s back on Datalounge talking to herself about her two obsessions. Her obsessions are both comedians and at least one had to get a restraining order against her.
NOTARO v. SPITZBERG | B209220 | 20091119028 | Leagle.com
Not to be Published in the Official Reports MALLANO P. J. Defendant Alisa Spitzberg appeals from a three year restraining...20091119028
go to www.leagle.com
Leagle
—Anonymous
reply 147
Meanwhile, I’m notifying the webmaster that this crazy person is back on DL spreading her obsessive nonsense.
—Anonymous
reply 148
google my name so you an see how well Marty Singer and Jules Kroll did on behalf of Tig Notaro? No read the link below to get the real story. FTM and deeply deranged Tig Notaro really doesn't want the truth to come out and is running to Muriel once again. Of course he's scared of Kroll and Singer and will oblige even a cancer scammer.
Dismissed in the Interests of Justice: The incredible(and I mean incredible) true story of how a comedian, Tig Notaro, saved her brand by destroying a life
"Holy shit. This is... insane..." Yes it was. Yes it is. Stone cold crazy, batshit, baying at the moon, barking a loony tune. Straight up ...
go to alisablogq.blogspot.com
alisablogq.blogspot.com
—Anonymous
reply 149
goolge Lavely and Singer and Mathilde Notaro and then look into Marty Singer's other clients. The fact that she had Kroll on retainer is a lesser known fact that I only learned years after trial. If I am so insane and obsessed why go running to Muriel? Smart DLers surely would figure it out on their own.
The deranged Notaro has not one big of truth on her side so the only hope she has is to get everything deleted. It's worked well for her so far. She was able to keep going and commit cancer fraud after her many crimes in the courts(witness intimidation, perjury, subornation of perjury, and obstruction of justice) Not a bad deal for her. The only true part of her story is that her mother died.
Oh well off I go to make copy of this before Muriel caves to the demands of Marty Singer and Weinstein's fixers.
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